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DSS Dereyae

on Wed Jul 24, 2013 10:16 am
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The following entry is direct from Star-Hunter's entry. If anyone has any more info regarding this ship feel free to PM it to me and I shall update the entry.

"'What I wouldn't give for a few Borg cubes right now.'
Captain Janeway of the starship Voyager.

The second supercruiser in the Delver series, the Dereyae was created for one purpose: neutralize the threat to humanity known as 'Borg.' Armed with an unholy amount of devestating weapons and protected by titanic shield emitters, it is well suited for this role.
There are three main elements which give the Dereyae an invicible edge. Firstly, it is equipped with four DawN Class torpedo tubes. These are global scale warhead units which generate large amounts of radioactive fallout upon detonation. Any Borg drones caught in the blast zone are instantly incapacitated. Secondly, the ship utilizes nanobots for repairs and matinence. With every Borg vessel this craft detroys, it assimilates the surviving Borg nanobots and reprograms them to serve the Dereyae's needs. Given enough time, this supercruiser will eventually gain the ability to regenerate during combat.
Thirdly, the entire craft can split into three seperate warships, each of which is fully self sufficient and Warp capable. A handy trick for broad scale battlefields.
And you thought the Prometheus was nasty...

For size visualization purposes, the fourth picture shows this craft with spacedude1234567's IKS Balth.

Ever wanted to melt your processor? Download this, the Hazeroth, jared's Venture, and Squid's Johnny Thunder, then put them all into the same LDD file. Then open the file. Then schedule an appointment with Geek Squad so they can get to work fixing your now smoking computer."

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Re: DSS Dereyae

on Wed Jul 24, 2013 11:40 am
For whichever reason I always remember it going forward the other way. Razz

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Re: DSS Dereyae

on Wed Jul 24, 2013 11:55 am
Forward is the way that it's pointing towards the IKS Balth. It does have a very unusual shape, so it would be hard to figure out which way was forward. Razz

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Re: DSS Dereyae

on Wed Jul 24, 2013 11:57 am
Yeah, I looked at it and thought. "I dont' remember those blue things in the front of the saucer......" Then I realized those where naccles. Razz

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Re: DSS Dereyae

on Wed Jul 24, 2013 12:09 pm
Yep. Razz While most of us are very unorthodox, S-H was the most unorthodox of all. Razz

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Re: DSS Dereyae

on Wed Jul 24, 2013 12:55 pm
Where are the thrusters? xD

It's not bad! I don't see all that many weapons on it, though I suppose invisible weapons were more common back then. Razz

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Re: DSS Dereyae

on Wed Jul 24, 2013 1:03 pm
I've always wanted to be able to see the famed work of the legendary Star-Hunter. O_O

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Re: DSS Dereyae

on Wed Jul 24, 2013 1:42 pm
@ Supe - it has warp nacelles and impulse engines, not thrusters. Razz

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Re: DSS Dereyae

on Wed Jul 24, 2013 2:34 pm
Interesting, but in a good way. Razz I feel like you could take the two side constructs and make them independent ships. Razz
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Re: DSS Dereyae

on Wed Jul 24, 2013 3:12 pm
*cough*saysthatinthedescription*cough* Razz

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Re: DSS Dereyae

on Wed Jul 24, 2013 3:18 pm
So it can't move in subspace? What use is that? Razz

Or am I totally misunderstanding the concept of impulse engines? Because it doesn't seem like an engine alone could move a ship-- what is the engine moving?

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Re: DSS Dereyae

on Wed Jul 24, 2013 3:45 pm
Impulse engines ARE subspace drives. Razz It's Star Trek universe tech.

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Re: DSS Dereyae

on Wed Jul 24, 2013 3:49 pm
Ah, so it does. I must have missed that. Razz
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Re: DSS Dereyae

on Wed Jul 24, 2013 3:51 pm
How does that work?

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Re: DSS Dereyae

on Wed Jul 24, 2013 4:50 pm
Taken straight from Memory Alpha...

"In Federation starships, the impulse drive was essentially an augmented fusion rocket, usually consisting of one or more fusion reactors, an accelerator-generator, a driver coil assembly, and a vectored thrust nozzle to direct the plasma exhaust. The fusion reaction generated a highly energized plasma. This plasma, ("electro-plasma") could be employed for propulsion, or could be diverted through the EPS to the power transfer grid, via EPS conduits, so as to supply other systems. The accelerated plasma was passed through the driver coils, thereby generating a subspace field which improved the propulsive effect."

If you wish to read more, here's a link.

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Re: DSS Dereyae

on Wed Jul 24, 2013 8:58 pm
It seems that all of those would imply ordinary subspace thrusters, which, as far as I can see, the Dereyae lacks-- unless those trans blue parts imply thruster exhaust?

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Re: DSS Dereyae

on Wed Jul 24, 2013 9:04 pm
The large trans-red section on the aft of the ship are the impulse engines. Typically Impulse engines or warp nacelle ram scoops are a trans-red color and a long strip of trans-blue defines a warp nacelle. (And grated trans blue strips on my ships are hanger bays.)

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Re: DSS Dereyae

on Fri Jul 26, 2013 11:06 am
Ohhhh.

It's a cool ship, but...those thrusters are not just small, they're ABSURDLY so. The Dereyae is 800 meters long, it would need thrusters comparable to the Acclamator I-class assault ship-- http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Acclamator_I-class_assault_ship?file=Republic_Assault_Ship.jpg -- the thrusters on the Dereyae are big enough for maybe a corvette an eighth of the size of the Dereyae.

Again, it's a neat ship, but there's no way those thrusters would move it-- and the thrusters on the big wing-like ships are the size of STARFIGHTERS. xD

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Re: DSS Dereyae

on Fri Jul 26, 2013 12:22 pm
First off, this isn't 800 meters by a long shot... it's a LOT bigger, it's not in Perfect Grade (I don't think)

Second, those impulse engines are WAAAAY larger than a fighter, a fighter here would be about a stud and a half, so those impulse engines are closer in size to a (small) CAPITAL SHIP.

Third, you assume that you see the entire impulse engine, ever consider that the majority of the engine might be INSIDE the ship, and that all you see is the exhaust port?

Forth, Star Trek tech is VERY different from Star Wars tech, those engines are perfectly reasonable in Trek terms.

Fifth, this thing is powered by a chain of Omega Molecules, giving it an essentially LIMITLESS power supply, so chances are even though the exhaust port isn't that large.... there is a TON of power pumping through those exhaust ports.

Sixth, Star Trek ships utilize mass lowering tech, don't ask me to explain it, though I'll look up the Memory Alpha explanation of you so wish. So there is less ship that needs to be pushed by those impulse engines than a SW counterpart.


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Re: DSS Dereyae

on Fri Jul 26, 2013 2:10 pm
If it is in perfect grade, I think it's about 900 meters long, atleast the giant wing thingy.

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Re: DSS Dereyae

on Fri Jul 26, 2013 2:34 pm
No, it wouldn't be in perfect grade, perfect grade just came into use recently. (at least recently compared to the Hazeroth) Notice how J-red is rebuilding his ships in perfect grade scale (upscaling them from before) back when the Hazeroth was released, I'm not sure if we were building at ANY "official" scale, but if we had an "official scale" then, (or somewhat soon after) it was 1 stud equals roughly 12 meters.

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Re: DSS Dereyae

on Fri Jul 26, 2013 2:48 pm
Since S-H never gave us official lengths, I would assume that they're in Perfect Grade. Wink

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Re: DSS Dereyae

on Fri Jul 26, 2013 2:52 pm
But didn't we just start using perfect grade about a year ago? If we didn't, then why are you upscaling all your ships?

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Re: DSS Dereyae

on Fri Jul 26, 2013 5:03 pm
It's 800. I counted. Razz

Also, that didn't entirely make sense-- even IF it isn't in Perfect Grade, then the thrusters would still be no bigger than starfighters, because fighters are one and a half studs in PERFECT GRADE-- raising the grade to make the ships bigger makes the fighters bigger too. xD

Mass reduction? Pft.

The amount of power available has nothing to do with it. The omega molecules are like a battery in a car-- they don't power the actual thrusters. "Power" alone doesn't provide the thrust-- the thrust must be provided by an actual propulsion source, such as rockets or, like most sci-fi ships, ion thrusters. Star Trek ships use accelerated plasma thrusters, or "impulse" drives, which are essentially the same as ion drives.

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Re: DSS Dereyae

on Fri Jul 26, 2013 6:06 pm
It's 800 if it's in perfect grade, you assume that 1 stud equals 100 meters, it might not.

Yes... the thrusters EXHAUST PORTS ARE larger than fighters. Even at Perfect Grade, a fighter is 1.5 studs long, those exhaust ports are FOUR studs long, a LOT larger than a fighter, and again, all you see is the part of the engine where the thrust comes out, there's more behind it that you don't see, built into the ship.

   Mass altering tech, the real world tech/science is not yet at a level that we could alter the mass of an object, and likely NEVER will be, however, one theory of how it would work in Trek would be that the use of subspace to allow for mass reduction in normal space, thus allowing "reduced" mass (subspace is also what let's ship's go to warp in Trek, their version of FTL travel) so yes, in this universe mass reduction within normal space in which one uses sublight speed, would be possible.

Okay, not to be rude, but, you just had how ST impulse drives work explained to you, and you are now explaining how they work to a builder whose been into Trek for YEARS. (Who is admittedly not an expert on these things) but nevertheless it seems rather disrespectful that I SAW you taught about how it works a day ago, and now you are correcting me on a universe that you admittedly don't know the workings of.
    In a traditional Federation ship, no, the main power source wouldn't power the engines, but it would be possible for a custom designed ship with a virtually limitless power supply to use that power as the power source for the impulse drives, it would work, you would just be removing the miniature reactor and hooking the thrusters directly to the main power plant. So it would be like the battery in a car, an all electric car.

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