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Wed Aug 06, 2014 11:46 am
New Combat Fighter:

Based on the F-16/22/35 fighter...um...directional thrust for VTOL capabilities...there's a bomb bay with about thirty bombs in it... So it's some kind of long-range bomber? I don't know I got bored and ran out of ideas. It's a rough model, but I'm kind of happy with it.
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Wed Aug 06, 2014 1:57 pm
Dude.. that's awesome... you did that in a couple hours? Impressive! I like it!
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Wed Aug 06, 2014 2:04 pm
Very cool indeed; it's certainly rough around the edges, but for a rough draft put together quickly, it shows boatloads of promise!

Not sure on it's role, though. Will have to think about it.
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Wed Aug 06, 2014 2:08 pm
That looks very advanced, and it does look very much like a 21st Century Earth atmospheric fighter! Very Happy It's probably very maneuverable in atmospheric conditions, and the VTOL capabilities remind me of a fighter from the Avengers....
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Wed Aug 06, 2014 2:17 pm
Dino27 wrote:Dude.. that's awesome... you did that in a couple hours? Impressive! I like it!

Thanks! It's not quite what I wanted it to be, but given the fact that I did it pretty quickly, I'm happy with it.

Mightyman wrote:Very cool indeed; it's certainly rough around the edges, but for a rough draft put together quickly, it shows boatloads of promise!

Not sure on it's role, though. Will have to think about it.

Yeah. It's based on a bunch of multi-role/dogfighter jets, but the huge amount of bombs makes me think bomber...  scratch 

Talmid wrote:That looks very advanced, and it does look very much like a 21st Century Earth atmospheric fighter! Very Happy It's probably very maneuverable in atmospheric conditions, and the VTOL capabilities remind me of a fighter from the Avengers....

I would imagine it is, with the fact that it can move its thrust vectors in interesting ways, though I guess I do see the similarity between this and the Quinjet/F-35 lookalike from the Avengers.
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Wed Aug 06, 2014 3:19 pm
Dang... That looks very epic. It really does look like an F-22; just add a nose and tweak the cockpit and bam! But anyway, very cool fighter and the missiles... Just a question,does it feature any guns/energy weapons? Either way, excellent fighter and I just love the intakes.
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Wed Aug 06, 2014 4:43 pm
PXR wrote:Dang... That looks very epic. It really does look like an F-22; just add a nose and tweak the cockpit and bam! But anyway, very cool fighter and the missiles... Just a question,does it feature any guns/energy weapons? Either way, excellent fighter and I just love the intakes.

Right now it doesn't, but I'm looking at adding a pair of heavy laser cannons and a Gatling gun, or maybe a pair of heavy Gatlings guns just as the main armament.
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Wed Aug 06, 2014 5:44 pm
Wow, that's a striking fighter! Spiffy up the tops of the wings a bit and you've got yourself a masterpiece!
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Thu Aug 07, 2014 12:42 pm
Updated New Fighter:

I smoothed out the bomb bay at the cost of a bit over half the payload, added some detail (aka studs Razz) to the tops of the main wings, a nose tip to the fighter, and a pair of auto-cannons as well as Gatling guns. I'm going to see about varying out the under-wing payload, and hopefully figure out some kind of wing-tip hard-points.
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Thu Aug 07, 2014 1:05 pm
Nice update! The guns are progress, though they look a bit too long or my tastes. Maybe stick out just the tips of the barrels and pretend the rest is embedded in the hull? Razz
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Thu Aug 07, 2014 1:17 pm
All those open studs... it doesn't look good. Razz Of course, this is a WIP, so that'll probably change...

Other than that, this is a serious improvement!
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Thu Aug 07, 2014 1:52 pm
Talmid wrote:Nice update!  The guns are progress, though they look a bit too long or my tastes.  Maybe stick out just the tips of the barrels and pretend the rest is embedded in the hull? Razz

I don't think I'll make them that short, but I agree they're a bit long, yes.

Mightyman wrote:All those open studs... it doesn't look good. Razz Of course, this is a WIP, so that'll probably change...

Other than that, this is a serious improvement!

Wahhhh, studs, the basis upon which all LEGO construction rests! Razz
Again, until angle plates are made without studs they're likely to be seen on many of my models, especially starships or fighters. Tanks and Mechs are just easier to detail for me because of all the various interacting/intersecting angles. *shrugs*
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Thu Aug 07, 2014 2:31 pm
I seem to recall that there are certain wing plates which are mostly studless, except on the edges.
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Thu Aug 07, 2014 4:41 pm
Another Update:

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Thu Aug 07, 2014 4:51 pm
Now we're talking! Some of the weapon placements look a little too un-streamlined IMO, but other than that, it's looking really epic!
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Thu Aug 07, 2014 4:58 pm
There you go! Razz Now it looks like an F-22 except for the rudders and the VTOL engines. Razz Anyway, looks great! Personally, I liked the old wings (without the wing thingy studs plate) better, but still, nice job, especially with the weaponized wings and the cannons! If you could swing in the edge-hardpoints inwards under the wings a bit, it would be more aerodynamic/cooler (Razz) but either way, excellent fighter.
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Thu Aug 07, 2014 5:10 pm
Mightyman wrote:Now we're talking! Some of the weapon placements look a little too un-streamlined IMO, but other than that, it's looking really epic!

Yeah, it was a bit of a pain to get everything to fit the way I wanted it to since I was working with SNOT wings, so there wasn't as much room to play with on the armament...

PXR wrote:There you go! Razz Now it looks like an F-22 except for the rudders and the VTOL engines. Razz Anyway, looks great! Personally, I liked the old wings (without the wing thingy studs plate) better, but still, nice job, especially with the weaponized wings and the cannons! If you could swing in the edge-hardpoints inwards under the wings a bit, it would be more aerodynamic/cooler (Razz) but either way, excellent fighter.

I'll admit I'm debating removing the top plates, at least on the wings, since the ones on the fuselage are kind of covering the top of the hinges for the bomb bay...at least I think they are, but I'll check.

And you mean the sandy-colored four-bird things? I had them like that but they looked kind of...I don't know, wonky to me, but I'll snap a pic of that angle for comparison.
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Thu Aug 07, 2014 5:39 pm
Those studs.... I miss the SNOT, and all those weapons don't look aerodynamic at all. I'm honestly not really a fan of the direction this is heading so far. I really liked how smooth and sleek the original was.

Anyways, I love the guns, and great work on the internal weapons bay.


And I agree with Mirage, if you could move the under-wing armament closer to the fighter's body, it would help. Overall, good design with great potential.
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Thu Aug 07, 2014 6:16 pm
Dino27 wrote:Those studs.... I miss the SNOT, and all those weapons don't look aerodynamic at all. I'm honestly not really a fan of the direction this is heading so far. I really liked how smooth and sleek the original was.

Anyways, I love the guns, and great work on the internal weapons bay.


And I agree with Mirage, if you could move the under-wing armament closer to the fighter's body, it would help. Overall, good design with great potential.

Well, here's another round of images...and the SNOT never disappeared, thank you.
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As for the under-wing armament, with the various warheads I can't move it any closer to the wing because of the SNOT design, and if I tried to move it closer to the fuselage then it'd get too crowded.
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Thu Aug 07, 2014 6:33 pm
This baby just keep getting better and better! The one thing I would add is some detailing to the wings/fuselage, but that's all I can really think of.

...well, no, that's not true. The tan missile pod looks out-of-place on the tips of the wings; I would recommend switching the places of that and a weapon closer to the center (but that's just my two cents).
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Thu Aug 07, 2014 6:52 pm
Mightyman wrote:This baby just keep getting better and better! The one thing I would add is some detailing to the wings/fuselage, but that's all I can really think of.

...well, no, that's not true. The tan missile pod looks out-of-place on the tips of the wings; I would recommend switching the places of that and a weapon closer to the center (but that's just my two cents).

I would love to add some details to the wings, but I'm not sure how to do so, and I'm thinking of scrapping the tan missile pod altogether, but we'll see how it goes.
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Fri Aug 08, 2014 10:31 am
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Fri Aug 08, 2014 10:37 am
Yes, it looks much better without the pod; the one thing is that it needs something in the middle, something between the bomb bay and innermost missile- another, perhaps? IDK, although it looks really cool regaurdless.
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Fri Aug 08, 2014 2:46 pm
This is one snazzy plane. The angling engines are great, and while a few of the weapons are a tad bulky it still pulls off a speedy, streamlined look very well. Great job!
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Fri Aug 08, 2014 2:55 pm
I have an idea for detailing the wings. You could paint an entire wing section in a different color, like metallic dark gray or red or blue or green. Smile

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